Katy Perry covers the March 2018 issue of Glamour Magazine and for the feature, she was interviewed by Cleo Wade. Katy talks about what redefining winning means to her, what advice she’d give to an intense, extreme, somewhat unconscious twenty-something Katy, what some of the parts of the music business she’s excited to see change and sad to see fade away, her approach to judging on American Idol, if it’s hard to balance honesty with holding someone’s dream in her hand, what she thinks the music industry needs, how she prepares mentally, physically and spiritually to be on the road, one thing that’s kept her going when she’s doubted herself, the last time she was scared to do something but did it anyway, what parts of her journey have surprised her, and more. Read it and check out the accompanying photo shoot here.

Katy has more than a career—she has a life. She’s real. I often think that the reason she’s so connected to her fan base, the KatyCats, is because she truly is one of them. She might seem like a supergoddess while doing the splits on stage or doling out critiques in a fierce look on American Idol, which premieres on ABC this month, but she is also a 33-year-old with fears to conquer, dreams to achieve, and aspects of herself she is still trying to figure out. Like all of us, she is a work in progress. As I’ve watched this soul sister of mine leave her twenties behind, I have seen her make small but integral shifts, learn difficult lessons, and use her experiences to evolve as an artist, a woman, and a citizen. That’s the Katy Perry I want you all to meet.

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Cleo Wade: You recently wrote on Instagram that 2017 “redefined what winning means to me. And the definition of winning for me this year was simply happiness and gratitude.” How did you arrive at that moment?
Katy Perry: That’s a great question. I love you so much for asking it. [Laughs.] I’ve come to learn, after 10 years of success in the spotlight, that being happy is something you have to work for every single day. Even if you have money or houses or status or fame—and all of that stuff is great for a moment—if you don’t have happiness charging the train, you’re gonna derail. A lot of my early twenties were really intense, really extreme, and somewhat unconscious. It was all career focused, which was great, but once you touch the ceiling so many times, it’s like, “Oh yeah, I did that. I touched the ceiling.” Now I want to touch the stars, which has to do with the heart.